IEC 61850-7-410 ED3 CDC - Hydroelectric Power Plants Available for Public Commenting

Please note that last Friday IEC TC 57 has published the following Committee Draft for Vote (CDV) (57/2750/CDV) for comments by National Committees AND for public commenting by anybody before April 04, 2025:

IEC 61850-7-410 ED3: Communication networks and systems for power utility automation - Part 7-410: Basic communication structure - Hydroelectric power plants - Communication for monitoring and control 

To comment on the CDV please click HERE. If you have not yet an account you can register ... if you have an account, go on. (IEC reports: Please use Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge).

IEC Public Commenting is a chance to let your voice be heard before the final vote.

This draft is a major step forward to get an international standard for hydroelectric power plants, steam and gas turbines.

Is AI Solving the Future Challenges in Physics, Technologies, Automation ...?

There are a lot of expectations regarding AI (Artificial Intelligence) ... what are experienced engineers telling us ...

I came about a very interesting post on LinkedIn from David Ingram. The post is worth reading!!

Click HERE for the post.

The comment from Chris Turner on the post writes: 

"AI fails in poorly understood domains. It relies on websites that may be right, wrong or a mixture of both. e.g. I asked AI "Q: What In-Circuit Test measurements (including powered tests), are most likely to provide a Gaussian bell shaped curve?

A: .... "

Chris resumes: "The AI answer is wrong."

I am not surprised ... 

„Lumpensammler“ in der Stationsautomatisierung mit IEC 61850 - Störmelder

EES (Backnang) bietet eine "super-einfache" Lösung zur Alarmierung von Störungen in IEC 61850 basierten Systemen:

"Neben den Informationen von Feld- und Schutzgeräten, fallen in Schaltanlagen zusätzliche Meldungen an, die an die Leittechnik übermittelt werden sollen. Diese Informationen sollen über die vorhandene Infrastruktur mit dem Protokoll IEC 61850 übertragen werden. ... 

1. Einbindung von Einzelmeldungen in die Stationsautomatisierung über IEC 61850
2. Integrierte Relaisausgänge zur Befehlsausgabe
3. Einfache Parametrierung über integrierten Web-Server
4. Zuverlässiger Betrieb durch störfestes Design und angepasste Signalverarbeitung
5. Hohe Funktionalität und Skalierbarkeit von 8 bis zu 192 Meldungen ..."

HIER kommen Sie zu weiteren Informationen.

Dieses Beispiel zeigt, dass IEC 61850 auch für einfache Aufgaben angewendet werden kann!

„Rag-man“ in Substations Applying IEC 61850 - Fault Annunciators

EES (Backnang, Germany) offers a nice solution for simple and easy alarming in IEC 61850 based systems:

"In addition to the information provided by the field and protection devices over IEC 61850, different single alarms incurr in switchgear stations, e.g. from the station supply switchboard section or general alarms like temperature monitoring or door contacts. ... 

1. Simple integration of fault annunciators into IEC 61850 structures – through copper or optical fibre connection
2. Integrated relay outputs for issue of commands
3. Easy parameterisation through integrated web-server
4. Reliable operation through immune design and adapted signal processing
5. High functionality and scalability from 8 up to 192 alarms ..."

Click HERE for additional information.

This product shows that IEC 61850 is applicable for simple and easy to use applications.

Are LTE And 5G Cell Phone Systems Secure?

Are you expecting that every communication system has one or the other issue with security? You are right! What's about LTE and 5G? Here is what researchers have found:

Check out the following:

RANsacked: Over 100 Security Flaws Found in LTE and 5G Network Implementations
By Ravie Lakshmanan

Excerpt: "A group of academics has disclosed details of over 100 security vulnerabilities impacting LTE and 5G implementations that could be exploited by an attacker to disrupt access to service and even gain a foothold into the cellular core network. ..."

Click HERE and HERE for additional information.

LTE and 5G are used for power systems all over ... just google for iec 61850 lte 3g ... you will be surprised ;-)

Click HERE to follow some discussion on remote monitoring and control ... if ever possible minimize the use of communication ... 

IEC 61850 Has Come A Long Way Since February 1995 - 30 Years

The development of an IEC Standard on "Substation Control and Protection Interfaces" (which is now IEC 61850) was discussed during the IEC TC 57 meeting in Sydney (November 1993). The Ad-hoc group „Substation Control and Protection Interfaces“ (led by Dr. Reiner Speh, Germany) was tasked to come up with a proposal. The result was published as:

IEC 57/214/INF Report of the Ad-Hoc Working Group on Substation Control and Protection Interfaces, February 1995

This report covers the work of the Ad-Hoc Working Group from March 1994 to April 1995. The group was formed in November 1993 and consisted of 24 members from 12 countries. Four meetings where held in the time period and the results of the work provided the bases for forming Working groups 10, 11, and 12. 

Sources: TR 61850-1 (2003) and etz-Report 34  (Offene Kommunikation nach IEC 61850)

Three new work proposals (NP) have been proposed in February 1995 (57/210, 57/211, and 57/212). The acceptance of these NPs led to the new TC 57 working groups WG 10, WG 11, and WG 12 ...

The IEC 61850 standardization started 30 years ago - congratulation! I am involved since the very beginning in 1995!

What happend in the global market? A lot of discussions, complaints, ideas, benefits, success stories, ... ignorance, ... misinterpretations, disconnects, ... until today.

BUT wait: I guess the series IEC 61850 is accepted, planned and decided to be used, or already in use in many applications globally. It is interesting to check this blog what I have reported many years ago:

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 / Siemens sold more than 1000 plants with IEC 61850
Wednesday, November 5, 2014 / IEC 61850 Devices installed worldwide by Siemens: 300.000 (the incorporated links to Siemens websites are not working anymore)

There is no need in the year 2025 to count the number of IEDs or systems that implement IEC 61850 ... I just came about an interesting video published by CONDIS Group (Webinar on IEC 61850 Standardisation) the other day. Additional information ... on how many substations at Tennet (TSO in the Netherlands) will be refurbished with IEC 61850 ...

One reason why this all happens is here: my personal involvement ... and training all over ... as you may know: I am one of the great grandfathers of the standard series IEC 61850 and IEC 61400-25. 

By the way, I am a great grandfather in the real life as well! ... and a gray hair engineer ...

Any question?

Why Do We Need IEC 61850 (SCL) Based System Configuration Descriptions?

IEC 61850 has been developed in the late 1990's mainly by protocol experts and protection engineers - results are well done and applied all-over. Later IEC 61850-6 (SCL - Substation System Configuration Language) was in the focus. Now, 30 years later the industry has learned that the System Configuration Description goes far beyond information models and communication networks and services - AND PROTOCOLS. The crucial aspect is about a COMPLETE description of the WHOLE system ... from device independent descriptions of Functions and Function Models applying a Top-Down-Modeling-Approach. Work towards this approach is going on in several projects, e.g., IEC 61850-90-30 (IEC 61850 90-30 – IEC 61850 Function Modeling in SCL). A nice description from Jörg Reuter (Helinks) can be found HERE from the pacworld magazine. IEC 61850 based aspects is - of course - just one (crucial) aspect of a system. There are more aspects ... like Hardware, Software, Cybersecurity, Operation, ...

In addition to getting a complete system specification based on SCL to get a running IEC 61850 based system that does the job you want to have ... there is another crucial aspect: Engineers may be happy to use a complete SCD file to configure everything and then forget the SCD file ... don't forget it BUT keep it up-to-date and NEVER EVER make any change in the system without updating the SCL based System Description! 

You may need the complete and updated SCD file to help you "protecting" yourself in case there is a damage or an accident ... when "a fleet of well dressed lawyers who will use the lack of that document to make you all look guilty after ..." may arrive immediately after ... as Jake Brodsky (a well known engineer) just published in an article about "Industrial Cybersecurity “Gatekeeping”" ... worth to read.

Here is one excerpt from his article: "Take the time to find out where the important documents are such as the Standard Operating Procedures, the chemical Safety Data Sheets, and especially the Control System Narrative documents are located. If you can’t find the control system narrative documents, stop. Get someone to agree to write them with you. This is effectively your contract with the engineers, technicians, and operators that indicates in plain language what is supposed to happen normally and in most upset conditions. If you’re operating without that living document you will all be fodder for a fleet of well dressed lawyers who will use the lack of that document to make you all look guilty after an accident."

What could be done to get and maintain such complete descriptions of various aspects of a system? Do we need more lawyers, politicians, engineers, ... ? 

I am kidding (just a bit): "Hire a lawyer to escort you when you have an interview for a new position as a responsible engineer in a utility or ... in order to figure out (by the right questions of the lawyer) that the company applies with what Jake Brodsky recommends!"

What we really need is more engineers ... gray-hair experts that know a lot about the systems ... that could write down what the systems do and how they work ... and that could train the young people ... BUT: it isn't easy to convince the management to let the engineers learn from the experienced, gray-hair experts ... gray-hair engineers could lead the horses to the water - but they cannot make to drink it. 

What do you think? Let me know!

KTH Royal Institute of Technology (Stockholm/Sweden) has some interesting things to say about IEC 61850

Andrea Bonetti (Megger) ... one of my best friends posted some interesting information at LinkedIn ... 

Here is a direct YouTube link to an informative interview mentioned in Andreas post: Welcome to episode 2, where Niclas Wetterstrand, Global Industry Director for Protection in Megger, talks with Lars Nordström, (PH.D, MSC.EE) professor in information systems for power system control at the KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden about IEC61850 in the academic world.

The importance of the knowledge, the experience in this field, and the connections to the industry are some of the topics discussed in this interview.

In addition you can follow a discussion on LinkedIn about the many parts of the IEC 61850 series that are currently under development ...

Click HERE to find a list of the published parts of IEC 61850 with links to the preview of the 46 officially available parts ... with a total of 7,361 pages.